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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 12:46:00 -
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There are variations of these words, but very few statements ring as true for this thread.
"If men were angels no government would be necessary."
This is one of the prominent thoughts of the some of the founders of the US government.
Now, if you add in a population that wants to be protected from societies underbelly instead of protecting their own society, this is what you end up with; a militarized police force meant to subdue any form of unrest.
A well equipped police force, that is operated by significantly underpaid state employees, that have little to no incentive to not abuse their power in numerous ways, is not long for great abuses. That being said, privately paid police forces will often fall victim to the same abuse of powers.....oh mankind you leave much to be wanted for  |
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:34:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:To be fair good old 'Murica has about a 10x gun homicide murder rate than Europe so the whole SWAT response thing came about because cops were being shot up like crazy. And if you think that was bad you should see what LA does when **** hits the fan.
More like 5x but who's counting really. |
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:32:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:
That is the great conundrum isn't it. Those same non-angles will be in government, and government having power, attracts those who want it and are willing to use it.
That is why I prefer adding the word 'all' to the quote, but for proper citation's sake I left it as is. |
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:18:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:We need fewer Rambo/Blackwater cops and more cops like these: Police Officer Loses Dance-Off to Kids"I had been dancing in the car all day long. We were leaving and these kids started busting a move as we were driving by them. I turn the car around and my partner was like, GÇÿIf you have a dance-off with him IGÇÖll give you some Jolly Ranchers,'GÇ¥ said Officer Krebs. (For non-'Muricans, Jolly Ranchers). Agreed. We do need more cops like that. The police should be interacting with the community not oppressing it with military grade hardware. This vid may shed some light on the use of the hardware though.
There is an excellent scene, from the HBO serie's The Wire, of the Baltimore City Police chief (I believe) where he speaks of the older days when cops walked the streets with a baton and would communicate with, socialize with and bond with their 'beat' aka the streets and their residents. It has not been like that for a long.
My link does not have the lead up where he speaks of what you linked above Khergit, but what I have linked is one of the main reasons the situation with police forces are as grim as they are now. |
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Posted - 2014.08.15 19:02:00 -
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Effect One wrote:Think I'd be more concerned if they didn't attempt to retrieve a downed colleague. I see a smoke grenade and 4 people guarding the tracked vehicle while 2 run out and drag a dummy into the back. I don't see them rushing out and shooting pop up targets.
8,500 people and 10ish SWAT officers. Hardly 'police militarisation'. You crazy Americans cooks.
Fact of the matter is that this equipment is rarely used to recover a downed partner. If a situation is bad enough to warrant such response and equipment then the State Police or The National Guard should be called in. Local, relatively small jurisdictions rarely if ever need this type of equipment. This stuff, often times, is excessive in force and excessively expensive for the rare cases that they are needed. |
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:16:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:
Nah. Has more to due with state coddling of segments of the population who simply refuse to conform to the rules civilized society sets down.
Just so we are clear, there are more white people being coddled by the government. It just so happens that a larger percentage of the black population tends to abuse the system. Also, rarely do white people riot as most of the areas where the Government and its henchmen over step the white population are not in densely populated areas where rioting and looting can reasonably occur due to lack of population density and all the infrastructure that accompanies said density. |
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:26:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, as it turns out, the shooting that touched off all of this?
It was justified. The autopsy report showed that the only way Brown could have sustained those injuries was if he was charging at the cops with his head down.
No "backing away with his hands up", that was a lie.
Were there any eye witnesses/camera/audio footage/recording? I have not kept up with this story tbh as I am tired of this shite, but I ask only as you said it was a lie. I bring this up as everything from start of this media and cultural **** storm was all based on conjecture from what I have heard second hand, as it seems to be usually, and calling the conjecture of the supports of either side of this situation a lie or a truth at any point in time is wrong. Both sides of the 'story' are based on conjecture until....the autopsy is served which it has now been and now the authorities can proceed.
P.S. I will say that I wish the black population would wise up as 'they' jump the gun too frequently and one of these days they will jump too far and alienate much of the population that has a modicum of sympathy for some of their plight. |
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:37:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:
But if you want to paint with a broad stroke, remember that there are a shitton of black people convicted of major felonies, and plenty of them for dealing in drug trafficking. Plenty of Hispanics are accused of similar things, as well as being here illegally. Considering how most drug dealers act and how violent illegals can be when confronted by the police, do you honestly blame them for how they act? And if you want to stereotype, then they have the right to do that as well.
Considering their job description, yeah. YouGÇÖre ******.
And how do most drug dealers act?
The broad stroke I like to paint with is that any white person with a little bit of money or that knows one 'right' person, get off with little more than a slap on the wrist for dealing or using said drugs. The fact that we continue to make criminals out of people that would make great businessmen, that provide a substance to willing buyers, is a joke and one of the primary contributors to the criminal element in most inner cities. The Drug wasr is the most expensive failed war in the history of man.
It was not even a decade ago the the Federal Board of sentencing finally dropped the sentences of crack possession in line with lacocaine possession. This was a reversal of a blatantly racist sentencing practice as it is mostly white people that utilize lacocaine and the opposite for crack. The reason they had to finally do this is that they are the exact same substance except that crack is cut with something to extend the profits. If you die from an overdose of lacocaine or crack the autopsy will come up the same....unless you are a horrid drug user and buy some bunk **** off a lame dealer.
I do not disagree with most of everything else you posted if i will be honest though.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:50:00 -
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The Middle East was a beacon of enlightenment during the European Dark Ages that is fact. Of course there were tensions between individuals in that part of the world based on Religious and cultural differences, but there were also tensions between businessmen, who varied in cultural and religious practices, that were based solely on business. There will always be tensions between smaller groups in larger societies, whether it be religion or sports teams.
As for the theory that melting pots do not work, the US worked fine in the past as a melting pot, what makes you think it can not continue to work? The rate of biracial children is growing and the acceptance of these children is also growing. If you do not see this then you are not living in an area that has much multicultural presence. I have seen hardcore racist Klan members soften up and fully accept their mulatto grandchildren. I have seen punks, sharps, jocks, and straights band together to push out the presence of neo-**** groups in my city, I was even part of that movement.
The progress will have set backs and times of turmoil, but the mixing of people has been going on for longer than history can show and it has become more and more voluntary and accepted as time progresses.
EDIT: I laugh at people, in the US, that actually hold a whole lot of weight to their ancestral backgrounds, that **** lost its meaning ages ago....unless one is from the upper echelons of society, then their is definitely weight to one's claims to ancestral superiority  |
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:51:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Wow! Some threads derail.....This one had a meltdown!
The natural evolution, or de-evolution if one chooses, of conversation. Rarely is one topic ever unilateral in cause and correlation.
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:42:00 -
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Actually the issues between the Israelis and the Palestinians are heavily due to the massive zionist movement in the early to mid 1900's and the fall of the Ottoman Empire. This book, Lawrence and Aaronsohn: T. E. Lawrence, Aaron Aaronsohn, and the Seeds of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, is quite informative on the billows that started the fire that continues to rage in the Middle East.
Not one of the Abrahamic religious texts, which were all written by those with the means and motivation to subdue the non educated masses, is without numerous violent passages. Unfortunately the extremists of all of those religions pervert those words into action while the rest of the followers interpret the 1000 times more prevalent passages of peace and understanding into mild to non action. |
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Posted - 2014.08.21 15:57:00 -
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I do not think disbanding the nation would solve any problems, but considering that the only reason money poured into the Zionist movement was because the man I mentioned earlier found that Triticum dicoccoides (citation below) was growing on Mount Hermon, I am not a supporter of Israel either. This mother of wheat showed that agriculture was not only viable in the region but was able to host a pure ancient emmer able to provide most of its own pollination. This discovery is the primary force that was used to garner the funds to push the Zionist movement into full force. It was then proven that money could be made in the area and the number of Jewish settlers that acquired 'their' land during this period followed the same deviousness that all settlers used centuries before during European colonization of the West. If Aaronsohn had not found this plant growing I believe whole heartedly the Zionist movement would still be a stagnant force as it was prior to 1908. I am not going to call out sides, but the Jewish people fled the desert and only small groups wanted to even go back as most Jewish people, of the late 1800's, thought the region to beyond any ability to assist their urges for the advancement of their people on the world scene. Once they found those fears to be false the came in and practically stole the land from the Palestinians that controlled abandoned land for ages.
Wild emmer wheat, Triticum dicoccoides[Triticum turgidum (L) Thell. ssp. dicoccoides(Koern) Thell.] with genome AABB, was discovered in Northern Israel by Aaron Aaronsohn in 1906 (Aaronsohn 1910). It is the tetraploid, predominantly self-pollinated, wild progenitor from which modern tetraploid and hexaploid cultivated wheats were derived (Zohary 1970). The distribution center of T. dicoccoides is found in the catchment area of the upper Jordan Valley in Israel and the vicinity (Nevo and Beiles 1989). Wild emmer wheat is an important genetic resource that could be exploited in breeding for resistance to a broad range of diseases, pests, and for tolerance to poor soil and climatic factors (Nevo 1983, 1989, 1995). Among many agriculturally important characteristics already found in T. dicoccoides is its resistance to stripe rust (Gerechter-Amitai and Stubbs 1970; Nevo et al. 1986; Fahima et al. 1998), stem rust (Nevo et al. 1991), and powdery mildew (Nevo et al. 1985). Wild emmer wheat contains rich and variable genetic resources that will play a major role in future wheat improvement (Nevo 1983,1989, 1995). |
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